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        Since I've been busy educating myself in all things engineered lumber wise. I have gone around basement seeing if there were any other issues. Found this hole cut in one long span almost directly over a steel beam.....???? In checking I-joist specs this should be no closer than one foot. Is this common???? Next is to check if squash blocks and web stiffeners/and or blocking are in right or in at all... this is DIY stuff right or have I entered the "twilight zone" (not vampire-werewolves, young people,..I'm talking Rod Serling)

        like to buy my house,.. come see it at 888 Wits End

         
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        I'll qualify my age by saying that I not only remember Rod Serling - I also clearly remember him smoking a cigarette as he gave his narration. You don't see that On TV anymore.

        What you have with the holes in the I-joists is not unusual and while not ideal it's not going to cause any problems. This happens because the framers are gone and the plumber is doing his thing. First priority to the plumber is to get his stuff run. If that compromises the framing then that's just the way it is.

        The fix is easy, just cut some 2x4 to fit between the upper and lower cords of the I-joist. Just one directly on top of the beam will be enough.


        Jaybee
         
        Posts: 10477 | Location: Knoxville, Tennessee | Registered: Sep 27, 2003Reply With QuoteReport This Post
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        Read about that in John Spiers book on EL, said major cause of damage to lumber was subs (plumbers,electricians).... Mfg's must have restrictions on cutting into this stuff willy nilly for a reason?

        Remember the episode where painting kept changing...... I can still here Rods voice ..... "There,s nothing wrong with your TV"

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        I had a Winchester Homes townhouse back in Virginia that I bought in 1989 with trus-joist wood I-beams. You should have seen the hole they carved through it to install the heating ducts. It was still standing 6 years later when I sold it and there wasn't any noticeable bounce or sag in the floor. The span would have been about 16' based on the width of my unit. The end units were built the same way and had a 24' clear span. I wouldn't be too concerned with the 2" hole in your wood I-joist based on my experience.

        Winchester built hundreds of these townhomes in Northern VA. Winchester was owned by Weyerhaeuser.


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        Any advice given here is general in nature and is not necessarily valid for your given area. If in doubt check with your local codes enforcement department for what is required when doing electrical, plumbing or structural work on your house. Permits may or may not be required in your area and home owners may not be able to DIY some tasks. I have no way of knowing if you have the skills needed to complete the tasks you are asking about, when in doubt seek professional assistance.

        My advice may be worth exactly what you pay me for it. :-) For the record I did not stay in a Holiday Inn Express last night.
         
        Posts: 888 | Location: Cary, NC | Registered: Aug 17, 2006Reply With QuoteReport This Post
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        I guess the mfg's warning's on cutting/notching and the like are same as cigarette pack warnings...you may or may not get cancer/lung disease or some other dreaded ailment.
         
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        You have a link on that? You definitely don't cut the top or bottom 2x but the webbing can be cut.


        General Disclaimer

        Any advice given here is general in nature and is not necessarily valid for your given area. If in doubt check with your local codes enforcement department for what is required when doing electrical, plumbing or structural work on your house. Permits may or may not be required in your area and home owners may not be able to DIY some tasks. I have no way of knowing if you have the skills needed to complete the tasks you are asking about, when in doubt seek professional assistance.

        My advice may be worth exactly what you pay me for it. :-) For the record I did not stay in a Holiday Inn Express last night.
         
        Posts: 888 | Location: Cary, NC | Registered: Aug 17, 2006Reply With QuoteReport This Post
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        Here you go Sparky:

        http://www.ahjengineers.com/wp...s-Joist-products.pdf

        The deal is that while there are many areas and sizes of holes that can be cut in I-joists, one forbidden area is directly above a load bearing area as well as 6" to either side of same.


        Jaybee
         
        Posts: 10477 | Location: Knoxville, Tennessee | Registered: Sep 27, 2003Reply With QuoteReport This Post
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        Thanks Jaybee. I come here to help and to learn.

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        General Disclaimer

        Any advice given here is general in nature and is not necessarily valid for your given area. If in doubt check with your local codes enforcement department for what is required when doing electrical, plumbing or structural work on your house. Permits may or may not be required in your area and home owners may not be able to DIY some tasks. I have no way of knowing if you have the skills needed to complete the tasks you are asking about, when in doubt seek professional assistance.

        My advice may be worth exactly what you pay me for it. :-) For the record I did not stay in a Holiday Inn Express last night.
         
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        You have a link on that? You definitely don't cut the top or bottom 2x but the webbing can be cut.


        I went to the source for mine (Weyerhouser). All the I joists have phone number printed on the side so I figure I'll call it and low and behold you get a live person (engineer) who would have gladly helped the builder not make the "errors" I've been finding... he said the rim joist issue I have is a new one for him (I thought maybe at least they would have seen this type of mistake before,but no they have not)
        As for the "hole" problem
        http://www.woodbywy.com/library/#joists ...open up page 9 of the tj 4000 document and there it is, diagrams of allowable hole cutting.... Hole I have is 2 1/2 inch diameter and lies 3 1/2 inches from the beam and bearing wall above.

        On a lighter note, during my time spent here at desk researching/posting/calling etc. I've had this Mike Holmes Make it Right book sitting here (got it out from library to check insulation methods) and every time I glance over at cover,there he is, glaring at me (Picture of Mike on cover looking reading to kick ***)and each day he look's even madder, I'm thinking, take it easy Mike your starting to freak me out.
        This is kind of like that Rod Serlings "Night Gallery" ( not Twilight Zone) episode I mentioned where the Cemetery painting keeps changing ( had Roddy Mcdowell in this).
         
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        Originally posted by measure2:
        I've had this Mike Holmes Make it Right book sitting here (got it out from library to check insulation methods) and every time I glance over at cover,there he is, glaring at me (Picture of Mike on cover looking reading to kick ***)and each day he look's even madder, I'm thinking, take it easy Mike your starting to freak me out.




        I think that's the look he wants to cultivate; that's his stage persona, as each of the various DIY hosts has their own stage personality. DeSilvia is more congenial, smiles a lot and conveys a sense of comfort. Holmes is the tough counterpart, take no prisoners guy. Nicole appeals to a different level - very attractive, very personable.... I think the guys would watch her program even if she spent most of the time mending socks or shredding lettuce (NTTAWWT) Big Grin

        I think it's kind of amusing to see how the various hosts develop their own screen presence. I often wonder how much of that is scripted by media consultants to mold their online persona or if the consultants just encourage each of the host's natural personalities to blossom.

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        I think Nicoles show is great because she does a lot of the work herself including operating heavy machinery (She's "Bobbette" the builder),and re-purposing etc. I will say she appears to be not dressed for the job sometimes, but like you say maybe the producers /media consultants have something to do with that,..and I guess its helps draw a wider range of people to watch the show,(not just DIY'ers.
         
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