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We just moved into his house about three months ago and it has a heat pump and an electric furnace with an old thermostat.

I would like to install a programmable thermostat. I hear that the heat pump can only operate above a certain temperature and then the furnace has to be used.

What is the best way to do this? Does the thermostat need an outdoor temperature sensor in order to switch over? Can I get a thermostat from the local Home Depot/Lowes or do I have to go through an HVAC specialist?
 
Posts: 2 | Registered: Jul 15, 2008Reply With QuoteEdit or Delete MessageReport This Post
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Hi rb01,

Regarding the thermostat, I recommend that you first get the Make and Model of heat pump you have in your home and call various heating contractors about replacing the thermostat with a programmable one. You may get a newer thermostat but it may not be programmable. Heat pumps require a special thermostat for their proper operation and one which is programmable may be pricey. I doubt that ones found in the big box stores would work properly.

Most heat pumps are those that draw heat from the air but there are also those which draw heat from the ground or from a large water source.

As to its operation, heat pumps are efficient at cooling and heating when the outside air temperature is above 32F but below that it costs more to draw heat from the air to heat your home. When it does reach that temperature switch over to the furnace for heating. Heat pumps which are ground source or large water source are able to run constantly since the ground and water where their coils are located remain above the freezing temperature and thus are most efficient in heating getting 3 heat units for every 1 unit of electricity.

Since we have the same setup in our home, I am well aware of your concerns. You may wish to check the age of your unit as it may be less efficient than the new units both in cooling and heating and with the rises in energy costs changing it may be in order. If you have a good sized property consider going to a ground source heat pump. It will be costly but will pay back its cost in fewer years than other types of units. You also will be able to do away with the furnace as you will not require a backup. This of course is only true if you live in an area other than Alaska where there may be permafrost.

You also might consider changing the furnace from electric to one that operates on Propane and get a mid or high efficiency furnace. It too will be pricey but will be more efficient and give you more heat, though the cost of fuel is changing constantly. Since this is a new home watch your electrical bills and compare them with a neighbour or friend using standard heating. This will give you time to make a decision as to what is best.

Good Luck!
 
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simpley me i am not fimular with the termoligy
heating getting 3 heat units for every 1 unit of electricity
would be as so kind to explain this to me.
i am familure with a british thermal unit [btu]

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Posts: 1682 | Location: i i live in southern mississippi | Registered: Jun 01, 2008Reply With QuoteEdit or Delete MessageReport This Post
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heat pump 80: there is heat everywhere. "refrigeration" units just move the heat away from where you don't want it, which leaves less heat, which we Joe Sixpacks generally define as "cold."

scientifically, absolute zero is the only "cold" that exists, in the vicinity of -368 degrees kelvin. water freezes at 0 kelvin.

anyway, to get more heat inside, you have to move it in from outside, thus using a refrigeration unit. used this way, it's a heat pump.

you get X amount of BTUs from running Y amount of electricity into a resistance heating element, like the emergency heat unit of an electric furnace, or the burner on a stove, or a space heater. this is a constant, X amount of BTUs for Y amount of kilowatts, no matter what the case looks like.

a heat pump doesn't use resistance heating in its efficient mode, it uses heat transfer to move refrigerant and bring heat with it from outside (outside air is common, outside ground temp via water tubes is more elegant but costly as all heck.) Y amount of kilowatts can result in up to 4X amount of heat at the transfer coil in your air duct. so it's much more efficient.

heat pump 100: if the ambient temperature in the heat capture field drops below 42, you go to a 1:1 ratio again. at that point, the system will automatically fail over to backup heating sources, and you can have this trigger on an oil, gas, or electric heating system.

your thermostat has to know the difference between the systems, work with your particular heat pump's preferred cutover point, and make it simple for you.

this is why standard dedicated heat pump thermostats cost $280 from the heating contractor plus installation, where you can get a setback unit on sale some weeks for $13.

not to say you can't get an $80 Honeywell from the big box center that won't work with a heat pump. but correctly in all modes? to be sure, it has to be on the approved list by your heat pump manufacturer.


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The switchover from using the heat pump to using electric resistance heating is done by the controls outdoors. I think it is automatic. Warm air has lots of heat in it and it is easy for the heat pump to grab the heat and move it indoors. As the air temp drops the heat pump has to work harder and gets less heat for the house. The amount of heat gets less and less until the increasing amounts of electricity used cost more than the heat energy captured. At that point you're better off to just use the electricity for heat and forget using the heat pump. The system switches from heat pump to electric resistance heating until the air temperature rises back to productive levels. This kind of heat pump system works best where the air temps don't go below 20 degrees F. Where the winter temps go below 20 degrees F. the heat pump can still produce heat if it goes into the ground or uses water from a well or body of water to get the heat energy. It generally gets really expensive when the heating is switched from heat pump to electrical resistance. In the temps just above the switchover point you aren't getting a whole lot of value, but it's less expensive than the straight electric heater.


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Posts: 7546 | Location: Elkader, IA, USA | Registered: Mar 07, 2004Reply With QuoteEdit or Delete MessageReport This Post
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Programmable thermostats for heat pumps are readily available at home centers. Be sure the one you buy has a "heat recovery" feature. This anticipates the higher temperature called for at the time you set and starts the procedure at a computed time prior to that time, bringing the temperature up two degrees at a time. Since most heat pumps kick in the auxiliary heat when the temperature difference between "actual" and "set" is more than two degrees, you lose out on any savings by setting the temperature back unless the temperature is raised gradually.

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