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Jul 10, 2013, 11:58 PM
Frodo
adding new ac
due to the price of propane gas i am switching out my old gas unit with a new elec unit

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Jul 11, 2013, 08:46 AM
GardenSprite
Frodo, what about natural gas?
Jul 11, 2013, 08:57 AM
Sparky617
I suspect natural gas isn't available. Given your S. Mississippi location a heat pump should work very well.


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Jul 11, 2013, 09:15 AM
GardenSprite
Sparky, It never occurred to me that natural gas wouldn't be available. So Frodo would have to cook either with electric or propane (or wood) as well? Makes his culinary achievements even more laudable. Big Grin
Jul 11, 2013, 10:22 AM
Sparky617
Generally speaking people don't use propane if natural gas is available. In the northeast heating with oil is very common when natural gas isn't available.


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Jul 11, 2013, 11:51 AM
GardenSprite
Makes sense to use natural gas; propane is cumbersome. My parents used propane for their trailer when they were Winter Texans.

We used to use oil in the 1950's and at that time I thought only coal and oil were the available heating fuels. Interesting how horizons expand with the advent of delivery of alternate fuels right to our doorstep.
Jul 11, 2013, 11:57 AM
swschrad
usually the issue is density of housing or other proximity to a natural gas pipeline. but in some areas, mountains for instance, you can't feasibly dig down the pipe and service lines.


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Jul 11, 2013, 07:21 PM
Jaybee
We have two gas furnaces, gas range, gas clothes dryer and a gas water heater - all propane. Simply because I live further out in the country and natural gas is not available.

Propane isn't cheap, but we prefer hot gas type heat. Plus, even though it's expensive, it's cheaper that electric for hot water and drying clothes.


Jaybee
Jul 12, 2013, 06:21 PM
CommonwealthSparky
quote:
Originally posted by Sparky617:
Generally speaking people don't use propane if natural gas is available. In the northeast heating with oil is very common when natural gas isn't available.

Heating oil is very common in these parts for domestic and hot water needs. Has been for 40 years or so, which is odd as the homes set on and around thousands+ of tons of anthracite coal. The ease of use between the two turned the tide. That and oil prices of yesteryear. Fast forward to now and the naty gas boom has suppliers added customers on a daily basis. More coal is mined but most is contracted to India and China. Figure that one out. But if want to take on the work you install a coal burner and you feel like you are living in a steel mill.


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Jul 12, 2013, 06:26 PM
CommonwealthSparky
quote:
Originally posted by Jaybee:
We have two gas furnaces, gas range, gas clothes dryer and a gas water heater - all propane. Simply because I live further out in the country and natural gas is not available.

Propane isn't cheap, but we prefer hot gas type heat. Plus, even though it's expensive, it's cheaper that electric for hot water and drying clothes.

All things considered is not a gas dryer heads and shoulders above flowing electrons ? Most people who I have done work for will pick gas any day of the week over electric. {When for whatever reason they at one time or another had the use of both}.


Popeye only reached for the Spinach can as a last resort...
Jul 12, 2013, 06:36 PM
CommonwealthSparky
quote:
Originally posted by Frodo:
due to the price of propane gas i am switching out my old gas unit with a new elec unit
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Good luck with the swap out. Big Grin Sure it will turn out well.

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Jul 13, 2013, 08:19 AM
Sparky617
CS,
We swapped out an electric dryer for a gas one several years ago. Not sure if this was the only factor but my equal payment electric bill dropped by $25 a month the next year and has stayed at the new lower level since. The effect on my gas bill has been negligible. Turning electricity into heat isn't the most efficient thing to do for space, water or it appears clothes.


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Jul 13, 2013, 08:55 AM
Jaybee
quote:
Originally posted by CommonwealthSparky:

All things considered is not a gas dryer heads and shoulders above flowing electrons ? Most people who I have done work for will pick gas any day of the week over electric. {When for whatever reason they at one time or another had the use of both}.


I find that there is no comparison in the performance of gas vs electric - especially with heating water or drying clothes. Our dryer runs for about half the time needed to dry vs electric, plus there is almost no static. The water heater is a true no brainer. Full recovery time for a 52 gallon unit is about 20 to 25 minutes - electric would be over an hour. You can read the stats on the sides of the water heaters, the electric versions cost over 2-1/2 times more to operate.

From April through October when we are not using any gas heat, we will only use about 20% of our 500 gallon propane tank. This is for the WH, dryer and range.


Jaybee
Jul 13, 2013, 09:32 AM
Frodo
it was my thinking that propane heat is cheaper than elec. also...but..that has not proven to be true
i have a 150 gallon tank. it costs around $300.to $350. to fill it, depending on the weather. 1x a mth. some times 2. for a 3bdr,2000sq ft home
elec is less, due to the fact i am on a "plan" that averages my bill out for the year. i pay $150. mth for elec. 12 mths a year. estimated increase, using other owners at my church as a gage, will be $50. more per mth.

i will however, keep my gas cook top...aint given it up.. NO! oven is elec.

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Jul 13, 2013, 09:44 AM
Frodo
quote:
Originally posted by GardenSprite:
Frodo, what about natural gas?


i have natural gas....cant figure out how to harness it!


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Jul 13, 2013, 10:01 AM
GardenSprite
quote:
Originally posted by CommonwealthSparky:

... Most people who I have done work for will pick gas any day of the week over electric. QUOTE]

That's true hands down for cooking. Gas is far superior to electric, which is slow, cumbersome, harder to regulate quickly and wasteful.

Ask Frodo - he's our resident culinary expert and he absolutely prefers gas over electric.



[QUOTE]Originally posted by Frodo:
I have natural gas....cant figure out how to harness it!


Um, maybe with a bit? Got any horse farms in your area?

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