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Jun 09, 2013, 05:19 PM
swschrad
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the good ol' beefsteak tomato is a reliable standby, a hybrid made the old-fashioned way, by covering flowers and introducing only the pollen you want.

there is a Big Beef variant that may have been, shall we say, "optimized" that is also tasty. but I'm not sure if it lurches through the kitchen at 2 am looking for victims Wink


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Jun 10, 2013, 11:54 AM
CommonwealthSparky
quote:
Originally posted by nona:
here in Fla. tomatoes are in abundance in the stores and very cheap, BUT, they are absolutely tasteless. I guess the growers are more concerned for shipping ability than taste. I don't know why people buy that cr#p, when it is easy to grow your own most anywhere and you will find out what a tomato is supposed to taste like. Unfortunately, WE live in a small community with small lots, so we can't grow all we would like to so just having delicious tomatoes will have to suffice

They do sell those Florida tomatoes here in Central Penna all the time. Very tempting to make a purchase, based on looks alone. To bad they have the flavor of the cardboard shipping box they arrived in. We have some Better Boys that are making great progress. Can't wait for that first "summer sandwich". Mayo, cheese and tomatoes on wheat bread. No salty processed lunch meat needed. Big Grin


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Jun 10, 2013, 12:35 PM
nona
Sparky, put a little salt or pepper on the shipping box, it'll taste better than the tomatoes.
We've tried almost all the varieties that's been mentioned,but we have, what I call monster grasshoppers ( real name " lubbers " ) and giant cattapillars that I like to call "squashed " that attack most common backyard veggies. Sometimes we can wrestle a veggie from them, but not often. I would love to know what we could use to get them either away or dead that the commercial guys use. Most of that stuff is restricted from homeowner use
Here's another one for you. I know earthworms are good for your soil so we must have the best soil in the world. We have so many worms that they crawl into our alluminum screen room which isn't built too tight at the door as it's dimensions change with the temperature. They get in, die, and stick to the tile with a glue like substance that rivals epoxy. I would love to find something that chases or kills them, I'd prefer to buy the castings than get it first hand

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Jun 10, 2013, 12:58 PM
GardenSprite
Nona, do you know the specific name of your large caterpillars? Are they tomato hornworms?

Even though organic methods aren't as powerful, there might be something that can at least deter them so you can get some good veggies. I'll check my organic sources and see what I can find, but it would help to know what kind of huge caterpillars you have.

I've never heard of earthworms crawling inside. That's a new one on me. I wouldn't want them in my house either.

In this area, they crawl up out of the soil when there's a heavy rain. Are you in an area of heavy rainfall? Or perhaps the soil is too warm for them?

I have a vague recollection that earthworms, like slugs, don't like sharp objects and won't crawl across something sharp or scratchy.

You might try putting something like that at the threshold of your door and see what happens. Maybe even sandpaper might deter them. If I was a soft bellied crawly critter I wouldn't want to crawl across sandpaper.

I'm wondering also if something like fly or flea paper might stop them. The glue might at least deter them.

I wonder if your local extension service would have any suggestions.
Jun 10, 2013, 02:57 PM
nona
you nailed it sprite, they're hornworms, or at least they look like the image results. I wonder if thuracide would work on them as it does on regular c'pillars. Gotta look it up.
I'll also try your idea of an abrasive material to discourage the worms. I understand that D.E. (diatomaceous earth ) is mildly abrasive
I'll let you know when I get off my butt and try it out
Jun 10, 2013, 04:30 PM
GardenSprite
Nona, I found some material on (relatively) organic control of hornworms. I know little about the types of chemicals commercial entities might use, so I just looked for what I would use.

Bacillus thuringiensis is one method:
http://www.organicgardening.co...to-control-hornworms. I do recall reading other articles on using this.

The article also references spinosad, with which I'm not familiar.

As this article states, parasitic wasps are also a method, but I assume you'd have to order them from a garden supply company. I don't know whether or not they then become a nuisance to humans.

Another article:

http://www.organicgardening.co...rol-techniques?page=

(I had some trouble getting back to this article; I think there's a problem with the link.)

Covering your tomatoes as suggested in that article might work, since you probably have limited numbers of plants due to space issues.

I recall these fat squishy monsters were on our tomatoes as well. I think as kids we did the "kid thing" - put our hands in baggies and squished them. You can also pick them off and drop them in something toxic, like bleach.

Another possibility: borage. I've grown it; it's a relatively small plant (as plants go) with pretty little flowers that attract bees. I also found an article indicating that dill (umm, think of those home pickled cukes!) deters them. I was unable to actually get to the links for these articles. either my computer is lazy today or the links are bad.

As with anything, size, space and timing all make a difference.

I've also read that DE is effective for a variety of applications. It's worth a try.

Now, what's this about loafing and sitting around on your butt? Think of what those worms are doing to your tomatoes!

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Jun 10, 2013, 08:09 PM
nona
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thoracide is the commercial name for Bacillus thuringiensis, and I looked it up and it will kill hornworms.
After I read your last post I put some of my diatom. earth around the door, we'll see if it works after the next gully washer
Meanwhile, we planted some tomatoes and haven't seen any hornworms yet
Now if the "lubbers " stay away we'll be good
Jun 10, 2013, 10:25 PM
GardenSprite
Did some research on lubbers.

http://edis.ifas.ufl.edu/in132

These things are huge - 6 to 8 cm. And apparently they're hard to kill, other than death by tachinid fly. They also can be toxic to birds and some animals. They regurgitate their food and secrete a foamy spray. Really gross and almost indestructible.

For anyone who wants to see a giant grasshopper, check out this video:

http://www.realmonstrosities.c...ber-grasshopper.html

Nona, do these lubbers attack your vegetables?

Are the worms coming into your house primarily after heavy rains? Maybe you can fix up a dry place for them before they reach your house.

It occurred to me that kitty litter might also be used; it could be abrasive enough to deter them, if the DE doesn't.

I thought palmetto bugs were about the most offensive insects in the south, but these giant grasshoppers and huge tomato hornworms are pretty obnoxious.

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Jun 11, 2013, 11:02 AM
nona
I once saw a "lubber " attack and kill an alligator, naw, not really., but you never know. Lubbers can strip a plant of foliage in just a few hours Too bad the hornworms wont eat the lubbers or visa-versa
For the record, our house is a concrete block home with the aluminum screen room as an addition, which is common here. We have a 4 foot overhang of the roof over the slab in front of the door. So there already is a dry area for the worms to get to.
You know,Florida is a state of extremes, when it rains, it pours, when its dry, you'd think you were in death valley, whatever bugs we have are huge, even our athletes feet are professionals, but with it all, I wouldn't live anywhere else (except maybe Hawaii )

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Jun 11, 2013, 11:57 AM
GardenSprite
[QUOTE]Originally posted by nona:
I once saw a "lubber " attack and kill an alligator, naw, not really., but you never know. Lubbers can strip a plant of foliage in just a few hours Too bad the hornworms wont eat the lubbers or visa-versa


... whatever bugs we have are huge, even our athletes feet are professionals...

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I think lubbers could be considered a biological WMD. Big Grin

I've heard some Floridians refer to these attached aluminum screened porches as lanais, after the Hawaiian open air patio. Are they similar to your screened addition?

Thanks for my laugh of the day with your observation about athletes' feet!
Jun 11, 2013, 01:37 PM
nona
Sprite, after a hurricane blows out the screening and windows the screen room is called a lanai
Jun 11, 2013, 04:21 PM
GardenSprite
quote:
Originally posted by nona:
Sprite, after a hurricane blows out the screening and windows the screen room is called a lanai


Ah, the easiest way to convert a room - let nature do it!
Jun 13, 2013, 02:18 PM
Frodo
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