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Jan 02, 2014, 02:49 PM
Conrad
Nest Thermostat
Got one for Xmas. They are expensive, self learning thermostats hooked up to one's wifi.
This would be used in our retirement home in the mountains. We don't have/need air cond, so it would only be for the heating season.
Personally what I have been reading is the electronics can suddenly fail. Really having second & third thoughts about this. Anyone here have it?
Jan 02, 2014, 05:42 PM
swschrad
keep the old one in case it does. I suspect the issue is surges that spike voltage in the control transformer, and putting a 30 volt varistor on the output screw terminals would prevent that. parts like that are easily mail ordered from Digikey or Mouser online. you won't find anything locally.


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Jan 03, 2014, 07:22 AM
CommonwealthSparky
Wish list item to install one in the abode some day. I put little stock and reports from "users". Mostly because all products have a percentage of failure. You just hear about that because products that work fine do not generate the same amount of press per say.

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Popeye only reached for the Spinach can as a last resort...
Jan 03, 2014, 10:34 AM
Conrad
Thanks guys.
DD got us one, and she installed hers when they first came out a few years ago. They love it.
We have been happy with a regular 5/2 day, auto set back thermostat (40 dollars?) and besides replacing batteries on occasion has given us no issue in this house for 20 years. These Nest things cost over 250, and look like a big whale eye! LOL!
As mentioned, we only have the heat on for about 6 months of the year, (no air conditioning at 8000 feet), and heat is absolutely necessary maybe 4 months as our newer home is so well insulated. Adjusting the temp from a smart phone or Ipod is not a big draw for me either, as it only takes a short bit to get the temp up, if we have been away.
Guess I am just being a curmudgeon. I would have rather had an outdoor camera to remotely watch for deer, elk, coyotes, badgers and bears.Wink
Jan 03, 2014, 11:01 AM
GardenSprite
quote:
Originally posted by Conrad:

Adjusting the temp from a smart phone or Ipod is not a big draw for me either, as it only takes a short bit to get the temp up, if we have been away.

Guess I am just being a curmudgeon. I would have rather had an outdoor camera to remotely watch for deer, elk, coyotes, badgers and bears.Wink



I thought I was the only one claiming the right to be a curmudgeon ( Big Grin ) here with my stated rejection of so many electronic devices that either consume energy or require batteries, and do what real people have done for years.

Seems to me that there are two contrasting movements (for lack of a better word) between the commercial device sector and tv - one seeks to reallocate human tasks to machines (stated broadly), the other seeks to pander so-called reality shows by putting people in situations where they're forced to survive by their wits (albeit with a modern camera detailing their trials).

I've always thought that those who wish to test their survival skills could join the mlitary and try to get into any of the special forces. That should be a good test of will. But then their trials wouldn't be shown on cable tv.

I still remember my father's tales about heating bricks to put in beds because they had no central heat. (Not that I would ever want to return to those days.)

But I think that the more we delegate daily living tasks to electronics, the more we divorce ourselves from spontaneous response to life. I hope the day never comes when an electronic device can enjoy a Dairy Queen peanut buster parfait for me. Big Grin

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Jan 03, 2014, 11:09 AM
Conrad
Curmudgeons UNITE! Garden Sprite!

Thanks, you made me smile.Wink
Jan 03, 2014, 11:32 AM
GardenSprite
Conrad, you're very welcome!

Now, given that you're an artist and I dabble in it a bit, what kind of banner or logo should we create?

I've always liked those photos of women marching in the street for the right to vote - hair wrapped tightly in buns, long unattractive black clothing, determination set in their facial expressions ....

Our signs could read "down with gadgets!"

On a somewhat related topic, I will never forget walking into class at Wayne State University on the day the Challenger exploded. The prof was a real anti-technology guy who expressed none of the shock that was appropriate. He raised his arm, fist clenched in the socialist manner and shouted "Down with technology!"

We students just sat and stared, stunned at his attitude.

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Jan 03, 2014, 11:44 AM
Conrad
Not that I am really against all technology Garden Sprite, love the computer, internet, cell phone (ok I do have a dumb phone, not a smart one), it is just when the technology is there probably just for the sake of itself and to sell a gadget? Honestly, am I so hopeless/helpless that I need a thermostat that can tell when I walk up and down the hallway several times, that the "away setting" is over ridden by it's mechanical brain to turn the heat up? Shoot, I can easily do that. Wink
Jan 03, 2014, 12:31 PM
nona
what a blow to my ego, with all the smart appliances in my house, I'm the dumbest one around
Jan 03, 2014, 01:50 PM
Conrad
Ahhh...but at least to this point, we have the option to cut the power to all those devices (pull their life supporting plug or battery)

So far they have yet to figure out how to purposely pull ours...and still survive.
Jan 03, 2014, 03:25 PM
CommonwealthSparky
quote:
Originally posted by Conrad:
Not that I am really against all technology Garden Sprite, love the computer, internet, cell phone (ok I do have a dumb phone, not a smart one), it is just when the technology is there probably just for the sake of itself and to sell a gadget? Honestly, am I so hopeless/helpless that I need a thermostat that can tell when I walk up and down the hallway several times, that the "away setting" is over ridden by it's mechanical brain to turn the heat up? Shoot, I can easily do that. Wink



Look at it this way. No you do not "need" it to perform those chores. But if these simple tasks go unnoticed because the device performs them and you save money, how cool is that?


Popeye only reached for the Spinach can as a last resort...
Jan 03, 2014, 04:52 PM
Conrad
quote:
Originally posted by CommonwealthSparky:
the device performs them and you save money, how cool is that?


It just may not be COOL enough?
Just because I may be traveling past the thermostat often, the temp may be just fine for me at 62 degrees. Can you say "over ride cancelled" LOL!
Jan 03, 2014, 06:22 PM
GardenSprite
Nona, Conrad is right. Humans created these devices, to serve us and theoretically enhance our lives. And they do have limitations - lots of them. Take out their batteries and they're useless. How many of us have to have AA batteries to operate? Big Grin

Think of aircraft - even though drones are taking over some tasks, someone still has to program the drones.


CS, do these devices really save money? I honestly don't know what these devices do as I don't pay that much attention to them. But if their initial cost is expensive and they operate either by battery or electricity, I would think the only way they could save money is to turn down the thermostat when they sense that the house is empty...assuming the homeowner wants that.

I can do that just by clicking the thermostat. But in frigid weather like this I wouldn't want to turn down the thermostat.

I'm also curious how it would adjust to the different preferred temps of the family members.

I'm not challenging your conclusion, just trying to understand your position.


OTOH, if I could find a device to do all the cleaning, I might buy one. Better yet, I'd like a programmable device to take food out of the freezer and cook it for me so that I have a nice home cooked meal by the time I get home.

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Jan 03, 2014, 07:04 PM
GardenSprite
quote:
Originally posted by Conrad:
Not that I am really against all technology Garden Sprite, love the computer, internet, cell phone (ok I do have a dumb phone, not a smart one), it is just when the technology is there probably just for the sake of itself and to sell a gadget?


I'm probably another one of the few people who also still uses a dumb phone. Mine's so dumb it makes calls even when it's turned off. Seriously. I was dumbfounded when I looked at my bill and saw that it called AAA 12 times at a time when I knew I was in the ER with Dad and the phone was turned off.

I agree that it's the issue of a gadget doing something that we can do for ourselves without adding extra costs to our lives that turns me off to a lot of the electronic devices.

They're not in the same category as labor saving devices like washing machines.

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