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        We want to cut out a breakfast bar. It looks like there was a previous doorway and the owners put a header in for support. The wall ends just to the right of the end of the header. The left side of the picture http://imgur.com/o8D447U is also the end of that wall, but not the end of the room.

        We found a laminate countertop at the local Habitat for Humanity Restore that is 26 inches wide and 61 inches long we would like to install (for only $5!).

        SO our options are:

        A.) to leave a support section (left blue line) and start the countertop from inside the beam there. Bringing it 61 inches to the right, it would NOT fall on a beam, so we would have to install another beam where the countertop ended and support the header (right blue, I put the line not exactly where it would land).

        OR...

        B.) Support the header on the far left end on the other side of the doorway by putting another 4x4 and completely remove the left blue line vertical support.


        Questions:

        -Which option is best? How much support does this header need?

        -Is 26 inches too wide for a breakfast bar? We do plan on installing support brackets on the overhang.



        We are aware we need to move the electrical. On the other side of the wall is a stove, vent, and cabinets. We plan on removing the cabinets above the stove and the one beside the stove. Also installing a vent hood that is made for an island - or would the attachment to the header be enough support for the existing vent (goes out through roof)?

        Any advice is appreciated!
         
        Posts: 5 | Registered: Nov 24, 2013Reply With QuoteReport This Post
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        I was all set to say that you will be getting in over your head and need to call in a pro.....until I saw your picture.

        So - Do whatever you want to make it fit in. You have a nice long header up there that is carrying all the load. All the internal stuff under that header can go away. Any framing you do is just cosmetic. Your biggest challenge will be moving electric. Your island style range hood can either be a recirculating style or it can vent up through the ceiling (if possible).

        There is one minor thing - your existing header is only supported by one jack stud. Headers over 5' long take at least 2 (3" total) on each end to support the load of the header. Still, keep in mind that this has been there forever so you really do not need to change it.

        This message has been edited. Last edited by: Jaybee,


        Jaybee
         
        Posts: 10303 | Location: Knoxville, Tennessee | Registered: Sep 27, 2003Reply With QuoteReport This Post
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        Thanks for the reply Smile We are all set to go with this plan but are currently shopping for a range hood that will not poke out and be visible in the living room. All we can find are range hoods for kitchen islands. Do you know if there is another word for what we are doing instead of a "breakfast bar"? Thanks in advance.
         
        Posts: 5 | Registered: Nov 24, 2013Reply With QuoteReport This Post
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        How about 'pass through'


        Jaybee
         
        Posts: 10303 | Location: Knoxville, Tennessee | Registered: Sep 27, 2003Reply With QuoteReport This Post
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